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Yazan : iskender   Mail : mevar27@gmail.com

22.05.2007 7:36:43 AM

mogesalmebiT Cemo qarTvelo zmebo da Cemo sisxlo da xorco. madlobeli var Tqveni. am did Relvarebas ver davmalav da ver vityvi, rom amdeni qarTveli ram Sehyara aq. namdvilad kargia, rom amden chveneburebs aq gxedavT da aSkarad gahyviriT, rom Cven varT qarTvelebi da amavdroulad "muslimanebi" esaaa CemTvis Yvelaze didi saamayo. gaixareT Cemo Zvirfaso Zmebo, me TqveniT varsebob da TqveniT mixaria am qveyanaze, ididguleT da ixareT am qveyanaze, rom xarT muslimani qarTvelebi da giyvarT Tqveni jiSi jilagi. albaT gamokveTilad me muslimanobas win, rom vayeneb gaikvirvebT, magram me ase getyodiT am sakiTxs. mevar qarTveli da ar vaigiveb me Cems religias (rwmenas) Cems erovnebasTan, rasac didi adgili ukavia sakmaod Cvens qveyanaSi, es did uwignurobad mimaCnia da me amas TqvenTan ver vxedav, kaci SeiZleba iyos aramuslimi magram iyos qarTveli rac faqarian. mokled Cemo Zmebo droa gagecnoT me vaer iskender nadiraZe (TURKIYE DOSTLUK DER BASK) ALLAHA EMANETSINIZ.

Yazan : ali arslan   Mail : aliiarslan@hotmail.com

23.05.2007 5:59:17 AM

gamarjoba isqender nadiraZe, Cvenac madlobeli varT, Sen nawerebisTvis. Zalian gvixaria rom aWaraSi (ajarisTanSi) Tqvensaven karqi muslimani aWari Zmebi vyavs. Turkiye Dostluk Dernegis ambavic Zalian saxarebelia CvenTin. Seni naweri aris qarTuli, magram Cven qveyanaSi (TurqeTSi) bevr xalxma ar icis meg dialeqti. Cven vlaparikobT aWaruli (xalxuri ena/dialeqti). axla Sen naweridan gevgeni rom, qarTvelobas da muslimanobas arigav da ambof rom Cven win qarTveli varT, memrec muslimani. muslimani qarTvelic iqneba, aramuslimani qarTvelic. axla haidan devwyo ar vici, unda istoriaidan dawyoba… Woroxis (Çoruh Nehri) da mTkvaris (Kür/Kura Nehri) SvaSi mecocxle bevri xalxi (qarTebi/qarTlelebi, kaxelebi, mesxebi, imerlebi, gurulebi, aWarlebi, leCxumelebi, xevsurebi, TuSebi, moxeveebi) arian da eseni istoriaSi feudaluri samTavrebi yofilan. xandixan es samTavrebi SeerTobilan. albaT religia rom erTi qonden imaze… aWarlebic iyven feudaluri samTavrebi da memrec samcxe-saaTabagos administraciaSi. memrec osmalebis erTai gamuslimanden da gaxTen osmals xalxi (osmauli). 1878-1879’ze osmalebis (muslimanebis, muslimani kavkasielebis, aWarlebis) da rusebis (kristianebis, kristiani qarTlelebis, kaxelebis) brZolas Tvis bevr musliman xalxma (aWarlebma) muhajiraT adga. 1921’ze osmalma mica BaTumi sabWoTa-saqarTvelos da aWaris avTonomiuri respublikam aSenda. xom ici da ratom avTonomiuri ari aWara. Osmal-TurqeTis da saqarTvelos SvaSi aris qars xelSekruleba (Kars Antlaşması) da amaSi weria rom, xalxis religias (muslimanobas) arna wekaroTna, avTonomiuri administraciana iyonsa. 1926’Si aWarlebma deiTvalen (qarTvelebis gardia) 71.426 mosaxle. memre sabWoTam (komunisti qarTvelebma)-stalinma, daTvala aWarlebi, lazebi da sxva xalxebi (vinc wignuri ena ar aqvs) qarTveli. 1944’Si komunisti qarTvelebma muslimani aWarlebi da mesxi Turqebi, vincxam rom ar miiRo qarTveloba, daTvala mteri da gadasaxla. dRevandRel drosac viciT (Senac karqa ici) aWaraSi muslimaneb ras awroben kristiani qarTvelebi. axla qarTvelobaze movdeT, istoriaSi qarTveli ar aris saxelaT erovnebas. istoriaSi aris egrisi, qarTli, kaxeli mepeebi, arali qarTveli saxelit mepeebi. qarTveloba gamogonilia 1918’ze memre, sabWoTaSi. qarT-ebma/qarT-lelebma gameigonies maTi saxelidan qarT-veli da miere xalxsac (aWarlebsac) Tlian qarTvelaT. istoriaidanac amboben rom, istoriaSi miere xalxebi erTi religiaidan (kristianoba) iyven da maTi eklesiaSi mokidebuli iyven. qarTvelobas aqidan awyoben. amitom zogi qarTvelebi amboben rom WeSmariti qarTveli ikneba kristiani, axla Cvenac vambobT rom, Cven varT eTnikuraT aWarlebi (muslimani, Osmal-Turqebis SeerTebuli xalxi) ar varT erovnulobaT qarTveli. TurqeTis aWarlebi, moqalaqeobaT da erovnulobaT arian Turqi. saqarTvelos aWarlebi, moqalaqeobaT (administraciulaT) arian qarTveli magram ar arian erovnulobaT, religiuraT qarTveli. kulturulaT, istoriulaT da religiuraT arian Osmal-Turqi. Amitom saqarTveloSi, aWaras da aWarlebs aqvan avTonomiuri administracia. Amitom ar undebian kristian qarTvelebs avTonomiuri administracia aWaraSi. Amitom atyvileben musliman xalx rom gakristianden. Sen de Allaha emanet ol kardeşim

Yazan : iskender   Mail : mevar27@gmail.com

27.05.2007 11:50:51 AM

arslan abi bevr rameSi ar geTanxmebi roca me var saqarTvelos moqalaqe da amashi ar Semedavo me aranairi Turqobisa da sxva erovnebis sisxli ar mirevia ramdenadac me vici Cemi qveynis istoriidan, amitom minda giTxraT, rom me Tqven kargad gicnobT da geferebiT suliTa da guliT, miyvarxarT da gafasebT didi pativi maqvs Tqveni magram Sexedulebebi cotaTi mainc ganmsxvavebulia Cveni amitom imedia ise iazrovnebT, rogorc yvela qarTveli magram aq didi roli tadgan Cvensa da im qarTvelebis Soris rwmenas ukavia aman gaxliCa Cveni dasawyisi da warmoiSva muhajiri amitom ar minda im did tragediaze Tavidan laparaki radgan axlac ki didi Wriloba gvaqvs da ar moSuSebula es tkivili, visac ar esmis amisa da ar stkiva RviZli Svilis dakargvisa is isedacki qarTveli ar aris. amitom me getyvi TavSi, rom ara var me qristiani da es ar niSnavs Cems damcirebas an araqarTvelobas vinc ase fiqrobs sjobs jere Tavisi Tavi iswavlos Tu vin aris is da mere Tavisi erovnebis Sesaxeb miiRos ganaTleba da mere iZaxos aWarlebze ... aslan abi me SenTan aranairi gansxvavebuli azri ar minda miogaxvio Tavze Cemi mizania erToba da solidaroba erT qveyanaSi rac moutans adamianebs adamianur adamianobas da mSviidobas isedac erTi muWa varT. marTalia vigac vigaceebi viTom arian dainteresebulebi ai am sakiTxebioT, rom aWaraSi aWarlebi gaaqristianon magram is adamianebi vinc iqeT an aqeT gadigamodis arc iqeT da arc aqeT aravis ar uyvars da is adamanebi kvlav urwmunoni da undo adamianebad rCebian. eg adamianebi arian komunistebi an saerTod rwmenis ucodinrebi didi pativiscemiT Cems megobarsa da axlo respublikaSi mcxovreb emigrant qarTvelsa da didi gvariSvils didebul ali batons

Yazan : Ali Arslan   Mail : aliiarslan@hotmail.com

30.05.2007 4:10:28 PM

Cemo Zmav isqendero, virCev cemTvin da am web saiTs stumvrebisTvin Turquli an aWaruli momcere. imitom rom qarTuli arali Cveni deda ena. qarTveloba ra Tqma ari, ras niSnavs karqa vici. moqalaqeobaT qarTveloba niSnavs; vincxa rom saqarTvelos qveynis moqalaqea... erovnulobaT, isTorulaT, eTnikuraT (sisxlaT da kulturaT), religiaaT (qristianoba) qarTveloba niSnavs; qarTeb/qarTleleb (da kaxeleb) aWarlebi da miere eTnikuri xalxi (moqalaqeobas garda) qarTveli ar arian. sityvaT qarTveloba da saqarTvelo gamogonilia 1918’ze memre, imaze win arc qarTveli arc saqarTvelo ar aris. es rom asea, TurqeTSi da aWaraSi mecxovre (eTnikuri) aWarlebi rafer iknebian erovnulaT, isTorulaT, eTnikuraT, religiaaT qarTveli? aWaraSi mecxovre aWarlebi, dRes marto moqalaqeobaT arian qarTveli. eTnikuraT arian aWarlebi. kulturaT, isTorulaT, religiaaT, erovnulobaT arian Osmauli (Osmanlı)-Turqebi. amiTom aqvs aWaras avtonomia. TurqeTSi mecxovre aWarlebi arc moqalaqeobaT, arc da erovnulobaT, isTorulaT, religiaaT qarTveli ar arian. worea, aWaras aWarlebi da TurqeTis aWarlebi erTi xalxia, naTesavi (xisimi, ayraba) arian. amitom; qarTveloba qristianobas niSvas an arniSvavs; es CemTin didi problema arali. me karqa vici rom; aWarlebi aradros qarTveli ar iyven da axlas ar arian. Tu saqmeSi sisxl SurevT, maSin qarTlelebis/qarTebis, qarTvelebis sisxlSic ikneba bevri sxva sisxli. ici da ramdeni yivCaRi yofilan qarTl mefeefSi; 45.000 ojaxi (adamiani ara, ojaxi). ha wevden amden xalxma? arasodes ar Seirien? Mongolebi, Seljuqebi, Osmalebi? amitom sisxlidan lapariki wore arali. aba karqaT iyavi da aWareli iyavi Cemo dzmav.